Coffee Isn't Lunch
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Hayley, aka The Resilient Hairdresser, is a former hairdresser and psychotherapist and now coach and educator. She is leading the industry out of burnout and into better mental health.
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What does our top five tell you about the industry? So w the ones that I find quite interesting is that two of them are about people who are very busy or who are sort of quote unquote successful, especially uh income-wise. And, you know, you consume a podcast very privately, so it's interesting that that's like a bit of a private problem that you think, oh, I am much busier than I thought I would be, or I am making this money. We're all about helping you to save time, make money, and we love an easy life.
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SPEAKER_02Go to getTimely.com and use the offer code COFE50. Welcome to the Coffee Isn't Lunch podcast.
SPEAKER_01I'm Hayley Jepson and I'm Muddy Cook. And we coach ambitious hair and beauty professionals to create a business and life they can be proud of without burning out along the way.
SPEAKER_02We're on a mission to rid the industry of old school, harmful hustle culture while cutting through the toxic positivity BS.
SPEAKER_01Join us for industry hot takes, strategies you can actually use, and plenty of real talk. You ready? Let's dive in. Hello, hello, Hilly Jefferson.
SPEAKER_02How are you, my love? I'm great, Maddie Cock. How are you? I am good. I'm very good, thank you. I thought we could do a bit of a countdown. I'm wanna I want to channel like 90s Friday night top of the pops vibes and do a bit of a recap because we've we're clocking in a good number of episodes now, and I would love to tell you and tell our lovely listeners what the most popular ones are, and then kind of see from there what that tells us. Does that tell us anything about the industry, about us, about our lovely coffee beans, as I'm gonna name them? That's our gang, our gang name.
SPEAKER_01Tell us what you think about that, folks.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So we're channeling like Christmas top ten songs, best songs ever type vibes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like do you know when you'd record the charts on a Sunday evening and try and press it just in time that they don't have voice? I do remember that.
SPEAKER_01But I bet there's people listening to this who don't remember that, madam. Yes.
SPEAKER_02Um young whippersnappers, tiny babies. Does that sound good? And I'll do us a little um late. Let's do it. Top five countdown.
SPEAKER_01Okay, top five. So these are our top five most popular episodes. Yes, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Out of like sixty odd. So I think we've got a good bit of data to to look at.
SPEAKER_01So all right, let's hear it.
SPEAKER_02In at number five, we have Dealing with Difficult Clients. This is a big one. I remember we got a big a lot of feedback about this. We've had a lot of people responding to our reels, being like, ah, yeah, I'm dealing with this. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yes, I remember it well.
SPEAKER_02Yes. In at number four, we had this maybe last more money, more problems. Question mark. Which that was one of the early ones, and I think this that was episode number four, uh-huh. And that was talking about as you grow and as you become more successful and make more money, what happens as a result of that? So that was a biggie. Yes. In at number three, one of our favourite topics, me and you. Is it little bit of what's our favourite topic? Let me think.
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SPEAKER_02I'll give you a clue. Center gel pens and hyperfocuses. Number three. It's an ADHD one. Yes, was is it ADHD our personal diagnostic journeys when we shared both of our diagnostic journeys, both getting diagnosed?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that was one of the first times we talked about ADHD, wasn't it? I think.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and that was literally episode number two. So that was an oldie and a goodie. Number two is one of my personal favourite episodes. This is one that gets referred a lot in my group as a point of reference, which is very much your wheelhouse. You are not an unpaid therapist. Oh, I will die on that hill, as you would say. And every time now that I see someone do a reel, who are like, We're an unpaid therapist. I'm like, girl, go and listen to episode three. You're not for so many reasons. So if anyone's listened to this, if you're late, a late joiner and you're thinking, Oh, I've been telling everyone that I am an unpaid therapist, and that's part of the pricing package. Go and listen to episode number three. We've got you. And in at, I should do a dramatic Dermot O'Leary style pause, but in at number one, and this isn't surprising because this was our first ever, ever episode. Was back in the day, should I close my books if I am fully booked? Mm-hmm. Now it was our launch episode. Oh, I know, when we were little podcast babies back a couple, two years ago, nearly two years.
SPEAKER_01I don't know. No, I don't think it's that long, but it's over a year. It's probably like a year and a half. It was, I think it was a year in November. Oh, was it in November? I thought it was a summer. I think so off the top of my head. Okay. Well, time flies. I might be wrong. It's about it's coming up to 18 months, Maddie. I think.
SPEAKER_02Got you. And what well, first, as a bit of a recap, what do as ADHD people, one of my things that I love to do is spot patterns and go, oh, I'm noticing things. What do what does your brain notice when I give you the rundown of those top five? What do you think that says about the industry? Yeah, what is this telling us about the industry?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm not surprised that ADHD is on there because whenever we mention ADHD on our social media or anything, it always gets a big response. Yeah. And so, yeah, I think it's I think our industry is really catching on that this is becoming a big topic for hairdressers. You know, I mean, I've had inquiries from brands asking me what do I know? What could I teach them? What might I be able to speak on around ADHD? And so I think that's really interesting. I think that's really interesting.
SPEAKER_02And I think just as a shameless plug, Haley has an ADHD course, and Haley does loads of fabulous work in the industry with brands and with salons, with people, with individuals about ADHD. And anyone, anyone who wants to talk to me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like I'm out here and banging this drum. Yeah. Yeah. What does this tell, what does our top five tell you about the industry?
SPEAKER_02So what the ones that I find quite interesting is that two of them are about people who are very busy or who are sort of quote unquote successful, especially uh income-wise. So should I close my books if I'm fully booked and more money, more problems? And this is a hill that I'll die on is that I while I absolutely appreciate and validate and confirm that it is hard for a lot of people and some people are quieter than they've ever been, that's a very public problem that people feel okay sharing in public and then echoing and having conversations about. But this really, really confirms for me that there are still a lot of people who are busier than they've ever been. And you know, you consume a podcast very privately, so it's interesting that that's like a bit of a private problem that you think, oh, I am much busier than I thought I would be, or I am making this money. How do I, you know, what are my next steps?
SPEAKER_01So that's I think that's really interesting, just people-wise, Maddie, that people will um it's find it easier to talk about what's not going well. Yes. Whereas people don't want to walk around going, guess what's going well for me. I'm too busy. Yeah. You know, it's like people are more likely to complain about their boyfriend than tell you how wonderful they are. You know, this is just humans. And so it's interesting to see what the numbers say. Yeah, exactly like that.
SPEAKER_02Because it is, it's a it's a private thing, isn't it? Like you can just listen to us. We're hanging out with you at the gym and your cars on your way to work and stuff like that. So that's that is interesting to me because I'm having a lot of private conversations like that, so it's uh it makes sense to to hear those. Yeah, I think as well, what's interesting is that it's a bit of an even split between me and you. Do you notice that too?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, what we teach, yeah, yeah, your money and feelings.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, the money and the feelings, I love that. I'm scrooged McDuck.
SPEAKER_01The money and the feelings, or you know, you strategy, your very strategy, you know, you might think about me as mindset. Yeah, that's one way you could think about it, I suppose. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I just think that I I think what's really interesting is, you know, like we say, you know, your money and feelings, you know, your strategy and mindset is that you can't have one without the other.
SPEAKER_02Just like us in P in as people, Haley, me and you.
SPEAKER_01You can't have one without the other. No, no, we're a double act, but it is, and I like it, you know, you always say you can't price your way out of bad boundaries. I love it when you say that. Yeah, and a limiting mindset. Yeah. Um, and it's like, but I also, you know, I you can't um good mindset won't solve all your problems either. Yeah, you know, it's all this, you know, I'm like, you know, I don't like this. I don't know. If you believe it and you write it down, it will happen. It's not enough, you know. A good mindset is not enough if your pricing's wrong and your policies are non-existent. Yeah. And so, you know, it's like you were saying it your calculator is fantastic, isn't it? But you've also got to think about why you're struggling with your pricing. You know, it is a two-sided problem. That's our point. It's a two-sided problem.
SPEAKER_02Well, let's go into some of the bigger topics then that we talk about, that we've talked about in the podcast that we talk about with our uh students, with our clients. And yeah, I think pricing's a really good one to start with. So, what are your thoughts from from the Haley, the Haleyism, the Haley side of things?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think that putting your prices up is an emotional topic. I think uh we can think about it as numbers and all of that stuff and business, but actually I think it's an emotional problem. Yeah because I think everybody needs everybody knows they need to charge properly, and a lot of people know they need to put their prices up, but I think there's feelings that are stopping people or are getting in the way or are making people feel nervous about it. And so I think a lot of it is a big feelings problem, yeah, or a mindset issue, you might say, but I think it's feelings. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, what about you?
SPEAKER_02Like when I brought the calculator out back in 2020, within a matter of days, I was like, oh, okay, there's the calculator is the thing that comes once a person is like ready to raise their prices, and before that, there is all this other stuff that we have to address, and that's why I started doing the um my free price and masterclass, which still to this day runs. Because before I get a person to even open the calculator and and be like, okay, my next step is to even not even raise the prices, but just to look at their numbers because a lot of the time it's the first time I've ever looked at like the maths of it, is actually getting them to believe they deserve to raise their prices and that they won't die as a result, you know, and their clients won't all leave. And I know you do heaps of work around that too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's exactly that's what I was saying, Maddie, isn't it? It's like the inform you we need the information, we need to know how to do it, but you've also got to believe that you can. Yeah, definitely. And that you're allowed. Yeah, it's like the permission giving permission giving. I'm all about that.
SPEAKER_02Other big juicy topic, which we've touched on, which is obviously really common in this ADHD.
SPEAKER_01Yes, I have lots of feelings around ADHD. Um, I mean, well documented that we both have ADHD, both diagnosed. How I feel about ADHD is there's a real focus on productivity around ADHD. Like we see this a lot, and and I think that people are missing a trick when we we think about that, and they're always just like, How can I be more productive? How can I be more productive? I teach about ADHD, you know, and one of the things that I know is if you're not taking care of yourself properly, there is no productivity tip in the world that will work. Yeah, there's this foundation work that you've got to understand ADHD in a bigger picture before you can start managing the strategies and the tips and all that sort of stuff. You've got to take care of your energy and all of that sort of stuff first. And your there's a lot of big feelings again that come with ADHD, and you've got to sort of get all that bit in check before you start concerning yourself with like productivity. I think it's the tip of the iceberg. I mean, it matters, you know. I love it when I'm productive. And so again, I think there's the strategy side and then there's the emotional side to ADHD. And again, that's why that's a great topic for us.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, absolutely. And I think my biggest takeaway, uh, we're not just from that episode with you, but just every time we've ever had a conversation really about this, is when you just hammer home like it's an energy issue. Like it fundamentally is it's not. That's how I think of it. That's why I understand. Like, I don't see it as like a capability or lack of, like, at all. In fact, I think people with ADHD are wildly capable of actually tons of tons of different things. Out of the box thinking, yeah, to be creative and yeah, really, really smart actually. And yeah, think of it as as energy, and then you know, it's changed how have you, time management, how have you, productivity is through this lens of ADHD and the energy that that yeah, roller coaster that that puts you on.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's it, because the energy is either there or it's not, and when you can learn to control whether it's there or it's not, well, things are easier. So much. Whereas if you're at the you know, the mercy of whether it is or not, and you don't know if it's gonna be there the day that you need it, yeah, life's gonna be harder. And so, yeah, I understand it as an energy management problem.
SPEAKER_02And like time, even just time through the lens of ADHD and not seeing time as equal but time as energy is like, ah, yeah, that is very big for me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, what do I say? I manage my energy, not my time.
SPEAKER_02Yes, and now when I look at my calendar, I have a little haley on my shoulder being like, that is 30 minutes, but is it truly 30 minutes? And what energy will I have after that? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because I just think that there are 30-minute jobs that take me a day's energy. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because they just do so, don't put too many of them in a day. Yeah, no, that's good. I love it.
SPEAKER_02Very, very helpful. So, yes, if you are yeah, if you are diagnosed or if you are curious or think you know that you have some traits or you just want to, or even this is interested, you're thinking about the energy side. Episode number two, go and have a listen to that about ADHD. Yes.
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SPEAKER_02Another biggie that comes up, and again, this comes up for both of us, and we both have our ways of teaching around it is policies.
SPEAKER_01Which yeah, what do you think about this?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I think I think you know, you you teach about boundaries, I'll teach about boundaries through a lens of policies, and it's one thing I always say there's like these different stages. Like it's one, you have to have a policy after you've written, right? You can't just enforce a policy that you've made up in your head because it's quote unquote fair or right or whatever. And then there's another thing, communicating that effectively to your clients so they understand at the point of sale.
SPEAKER_01Well, yeah. I think that's where that's where I notice people are falling down quite a lot. It's the communicating of them.
SPEAKER_02So I think everyone falls a different hurdle. Some literally don't have any whatsoever, and they're like, Yeah, but it's but it's unfair. And I'm like, well, to you, and you know, they they have to be communicated. So there's the like having them, communicating them, and then the really, really important thing is actually enforcing in the moment. And yes, by doing step one and two, having them and communicating them, which is the strategic kind of you can have scripts and templates and whatever, whatever, but in the enforcing, much like doing the price increase, that's when you have a lot of the feelings and the this person's gonna hate me, you know. They'll think I'm me. Yeah, poor Sandra's husband's just lost his job, and so and so's not well, and this person's been a client of mine for 20 years, and all of the mindset stuff kind of comes up as well. So it's yeah, yeah, yeah. You've got the three strategic stages, but then a lot of the maybe inner work to comes around them.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. It is, it's really interesting. Yeah, it's really interesting. I think another one of our really big topics that's come up there is like the unpaid therapist, the difficult clients, like it's the it's the things that are really tough around hairdressing that I like talking about a lot, really, these ones. And I and I think about it like this they'll always be difficult clients, Maddy. There just will be, and there will always be clients who tell you their problems. But I think that what we can control as hairdressers and beauty people is how we are handling this, how we are dealing with that. We can't people are difficult, it just is what it is, and people will be going through a bad time or just be moaning at you. You know, that's just it's part of the culture of hairdressing, sadly, at the moment. But what I do notice is this throughout my career, I got less and less difficult clients. In my early days, I had loads. But by the you know, in my last few years, I had very few because they had a there was a lot of hoops they had to go through to get to have an appointment, and so they dropped off, and I got better at handling them and nipping it in the bud, noticing it earlier, you know. I think that comes with experience, but I would love to have known the stuff I knew at the end at the beginning, but I wouldn't have been nice. Absolutely, yeah. And so, you know, I just think it is it's uh it's really about how you handle uh difficult clients and difficult conversations, but you're probably never gonna be able to stop people being difficult, yeah. But you can stop getting them in your chair, yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_02And if you do or a current client becomes difficult, like you say, there's a lot more in your control to navigate your way through or out of that, definitely.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So should we do our final thoughts, Maddie? Yes, let's do some thoughts. Let's sum this up. Let's tie it up in a bow. What do you think about all of this?
SPEAKER_02About our recap and what we've been talking about today. So I did have a programme called Breakthrough, and this is what and that that's you you very kindly came and coached in there, and this is what I talk about a lot when I was explaining that is that there's two uh distinctive but also really intertwined things that I would call the doing and the being. So you can't do you can do things, but there's also a a way that you have to be as you are doing those things, and that's different at different phases of business as you're growing, as you're descaling, as you are opening a salon or going and working on your own, if there's change in your personal life, business, whatever, there will always be the steps, the tips, the strategy, the templates, the checklists, and there is like who am I as I am going through all of these things and what's in my control, what is my mindset, what are my beliefs. And I just don't think you can separate them, but I think if you learn to harness both, they can both pull like play off each other in a really, really positive way. Yeah, so in essence, come and hang out somewhere with me and Haley and we'll sort you.
SPEAKER_01Of they're both good, but separately, you won't get great results. Yeah, yeah. You kind of like you need good strategy, yeah, but you also need to get the emotional side and the mindset stuff sorted or it will hold you back. Yeah, I like it.
SPEAKER_03I like it.
SPEAKER_01Well, what I think is what I notice a lot when I'm coaching people is when they turn up at my door, and let's say, you know, they're burnt out, their policies are not great, their prices are not great, all that sort of stuff. It's not that they don't know what to do. They they understand, but it's more that they're not doing it, and they're confused as to why they're not doing it, because they've listened to all the podcasts, they've done all the courses, they've listened to everything. And again, I think it's that emotional side that they've not attended to that people come to me and talk about a lot. It's like I I know what I'm supposed to be doing, but why am I doing not doing it? I'm frozen, yeah, I'm stuck, and I've been like this for a few years now, knowing what I need to do, and it's like more and more education is not getting them there. Yeah. And so it's the they understand the doing, but they can't do it because they've not figured out the being. Yeah.
unknownExactly that.
SPEAKER_02No, it's so important in it. That's not confusing. And it's a really it's a thing that I've focus on loads now in my own personal development and with my own coach and my own therapist, and it's it just has to be both. Like I don't or it just works so much better when it's both. Because like you say, you're just gonna butt heads, you're just gonna you're either gonna run up against, well, now I know everything, like I've got the theory and I know what the steps are, but why am I not doing it? Or you're gonna have this like almost toxic posity, like you said, of dream, believe, achieve. Well, yeah, but you don't know what. You have a great mindset, but then I've written a million pound check, it's in my purse.
SPEAKER_01Why is it not happening? Fall into place. Yeah, exactly. This, yeah, and so it is a really good combo of both. That's that that's the bottom line. That's what that's what we keep driving home, isn't it? Today, Maddie. It's exactly it's a really good combo of both. Yes. Should we do a hyper focus?
SPEAKER_02Yes. So this will have been recorded a little bit before it comes out, but I think it's still very, very pertinent of modern times. Are you watching Severance?
SPEAKER_01Oh Maddie.
SPEAKER_02Are you? Are you watching it?
SPEAKER_01I've watched the first yeah, what I've seen the first series. I've not watched the second one yet. It's on, but I haven't watched it. So are you on the second series?
SPEAKER_02Top tip rewatch the whole first series. I'd forgotten. It was like three years to watch it.
SPEAKER_01No, I only watched the first one recently.
SPEAKER_02Okay, then you'll be fine. I'm very jealous of anyone watching it from the start now, but I mean what a finale. Season one finale.
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SPEAKER_02Honest. Season two. I watched one of the episodes. I was I was waiting for a flight, and I was like, oh, it's out now, and I'll I'll kill like 40 minutes. And I was like audibly gasping. I was like, oh. It is so good. It gives me actually it nearly shot me because I was like, it reminds me of Lost. He was like, it's much better than Lost, which it is. But because in Lost it just started to go really hairwire and there's just crazy stuff for the sake of crazy stuff. But in this everything so intentional, I'm like down the rabbit hole. I've subscribed to loads of in listen to a podcast, and then we like talk about what was on the podcast, and I'm watching all these reels and these theories, and it it gives us the vibe of when Lost was on live. And right at the end, when it was like next time on Lost, I just I couldn't even cope with my life because I was like, I just need to watch the next episode of this. But it's a million times better.
SPEAKER_01I like the colour scheme of severance. Do you know just like the aesthetics of that? The aesthetics of the colour palette. It's very good. Ben Stiller is the director, isn't he?
SPEAKER_02He is the director, yeah. And honest, it's it's it's bananas, and you're just watching it, just being like, what the hell is going on? And you could I feel like I could watch every episode a hundred times and be like, I've just worked something out, or I've just noticed this tiny little yeah.
SPEAKER_01You this is the kick up eye bum, uh the up the bum I need actually to start the second series. Go on, go ahead and just in the market for a new programme. Okay, actually.
SPEAKER_02Well, it's good time and because now there's not that many left before it ends, so you'll be on good stead to like just have stuff. Oh, is it one a week? One a week. Oh I can't hope that's at the m currently there's like a couple left. So maybe in a week.
SPEAKER_01So I could probably do that because I can't binge severance. No, it's not psychological meltdown. Yeah, it's too it's a bit heavy to watch like three in a row. Yeah, yeah. Do like one a day, so like math. I can do one a day, but I can't do like three a night.
SPEAKER_02But I'm just I'm just obsessed. I'm re I'm absolutely obsessed in Aiden's bud buzzing because he was obsessed in series one and I wasn't, I was like a bit of a late adopter, and now we just literally talk about it all day. It's like big topic in this household.
SPEAKER_01Oh well, I can I'll join in that then. Yes, please do. I need some theories. I will start this evening. What's yours? Mine's bonkers. I've got a new podcast that I like listening to. It's only 15 minutes long, and I discovered these girls on Instagram through reels, and I thought these are funny. I couldn't figure out if they were real or not at first. It's satire, Maddy. Right. You know, and when you're like, is this real or not? Anyway, it's called Binx and Hebrides Wine Time Podcast. Right. Wine time spelt W-H-I-N-H. And it's these two girls giving advice to other girls. But what I and when I first listened to it, I just thought, what is happening here? It's a bit like Mel Maiden Chelsea does.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna say Binx, the name Binx is giving very Chelsea, very posh girl.
SPEAKER_01It's exactly that. And so basically it's these two, I don't know, actresses, comedians, two women who are taking the Mickey out of a couple of rich Chelsea girls giving life advice. Amazing. And it's so funny, I can't even cope with it. I love it. It's just hilarious. And I like a little 15-minute pick you up, but even when you just see their reels on Instagram, they're so brilliant. I need to listen. Yeah. Binks and Hebrides. If you Google that or put it into Instagram or Apple Podcasts or whatever, you'll find them and they're great. I'll send you some, I'll send you some reels, Maddie. Please do. So you can have a little look, see. And that so yeah, that's that's my hyper focus big time.
SPEAKER_02I love it. And that leads us very, very nicely on to what I'm about to say, because some of you will be in the market for a new podcast for the time being. Because for a little while. Q Jameis Blunt, goodbye, my lover, goodbye, my friend.
SPEAKER_01We'll get we'll get Lily to put that in.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, can we have uh some sort of remix of that on a reel, please? This is gonna be the last episode for a while for an undisclosed, unconfirmed period of time, because we don't know how long. We don't know how long. But we one, can I just congratulate us both? Because seeing through eight, technically eight seasons, maybe eighteen months, sixty odd episodes puts us in like the top couple of percent of podcasts creators because a lot of people they like to look at us consistent ADHD. I know so big big self-pat on the head for us. But generally, life is life thing, business is a business thing. There is uh behind the scenes very, very big uh periods of change, things going on, and we don't like to half-arse things, I like to full arse things, and yes, in order to do that, uh we need a little bit of time, a little bit of a break away.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we need a little bit of space and time.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so please go and listen to any old episodes that you missed or re-listen to things. We'll put in the show notes where you can find both of us. We are still very much about, and there's various ways to you know continue to work with us or whatever that looks like. And yeah, recommend us to people if you know who needs to listen to a certain episode. We love the little the community of our recently named coffee beans.
SPEAKER_01And make sure you follow us so that we pop up when we come back. Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, make sure that you've got us whatever it is, followed, subscribed. I don't know what the lingo is for that, but yes, and then you'll get a lovely little notification one day to be like boom, you we're back, baby. When the time comes.
SPEAKER_01Well, until then, Maddy. See you when I see you.
SPEAKER_02It's uh it's a ciao for now, Jefferson.
SPEAKER_01See you, ciao for now. Aloha.
SPEAKER_02All right, pal. I'll see you then.
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